Hi, as u can tell I am new to RC cars I am used to nitro with helicopters and planes so now trying four wheels, my budget is approx £300 what is the best buy am looking for a truggy to bash and race with friends, no serious racing but I would like it be be quick,
what do u think of the following

Schumacher manic?
Traxxas Jato 3.3
losi speed

I can't afford the Losi 8ight so any recomendations qould be great looking for a nitro RTR prefer a 1/8 size truggy for off road mainly car parks, short grass and dirt tracks

many thanks in advance
David

Hi david, welcome to the site mate :thumbs_up:

First off, all the models you put down are good models, but id say out of those 3 the losi wouldnt be as good as the other 2 models.

The manic is a beast, and would defo fly and have a lot of power with the 36 cu in (6cc) twin cylinder engine. and its not a bad price too.

The jato 3.3 is an insainly fast model, and being 2wd makes it nutty as well, its good for on-road and off-road use.

Another very good ST model is a HoBao Hyper ST Truggy RTR

http://modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=Show...on&ItemID=26445

luckerly mate your more then half way there, because you are choosing from good models, whatever one you get you would like and it would do what you want it to. :clap:

if you want a great truggy to bash with then yoy want a Hyper ST a great allround truggy, will do 360 flips all day long. Are you looking for a new one or a good second hand one. There are 2 people on here that i know are selling theres. Good examples to. if you are intersted PM me and i will pass on there details to you.
here is my ST:







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Hi Ianski & Mark

Thank you.

I'm getting fed up with the expensive of crashing a helicopter although it doesnt happen often when it does just the blades are £100 plus any other bits, plus with the windy weather I fancied a truggy on those not so good days.

Thank you both for your thoughts, is 4wd or 2wd more fun?
But maily want speed and handling the Hyper ST seems to have a smaller engine than the Jato and the Schumacher Manic, I have to say I love the idea of the twin cylinder!
The Losi and Associated are out of my price range I was thinking of a new one but if there are some good second hand ones about I would be willing to give them ago, but my breif experience of nitro buggies years ago ended up costing me so much in repairs and knackered engines I thought it might be best to start with a new model and run it in properly and look after it.

Or even the Losi aftershock??

I want best for the money really something I dont have to spend lots on upgrading, i'm leaning towards the Manic love the purple chasis!

The Manic is a bit of a gimic, there trucks are not great Bashers. know members with Havocs, rascals, riots . Not that great for what you want, Yes the Asc and Losi are racing chassis and not really what you want to bash with, Made for thetracks.

Size of the engine in the Jato does not matter, would put my 21 RB Concepts engine up against it any day and i know who would win. The ST is quick especially for its size. Here is a picture of it next to a Traxxas T-Maxx:





Not much in it at all. The ST is also good on the track the manic, jato are not.

Wow great pics!! Does look a nice truggy is that the Hyper ST RTR?

Right thats on my list, how about any of these, which one do you think is the quickest, most reliable, best build quality and wont need any upgrades / hop ups?

1) Kyosho Inferno US Sports 2
2) HPI Trophy 4.6 RTR
3) HoBao Hyper ST RTR
4) Schumacher Manic RTR
5) Traxxas Jato 3.3
6) Losi Speed RTR with Spektrum 2.4Ghz radio

sorry for all the questions just dont wanna buy one then think I wish I had bought a different one

Many Thanks

David

Any of the Top 3, Not over sure on the Hpi Trophy Truggy but heard good things. :thumbs_up:

guess ill add my 2 cent here k

1) Kyosho Inferno US Sports 2
- dont bother, the model isnt great and spares are starting to get a joke for mostly anything kyosho. there slow having to come from france (theres no uk importer) and the car itself isnt anything special or of particually good qulity. the engines from kyosho especially the larger ones arent that good either and have weak con rods and bushings. its not a great car in my opinion

2) HPI Trophy 4.6 RTR
- spiffing car, its the hotbodies lightning stadium thats been upgraded abit and had a little bit of a makeover. its a good qulity model and spares are plentyful. upgrade the suspention plates to alloy ones and its very very strong. the engine is a hpi engine so not balistically quick but very reliable and will last a lifetime

3) HoBao Hyper ST RTR
- another fantasti model. spares are plentyful and the truggy as a whole is very strong. the chassie brace's will need replacing with the CNC version as the cast are pretty weak but the rest of the truck is solid. the hobao.28 engine will be a pain for the 1st galleon as the engines are legenderely tight but it will last a long time and they do hit quite a high RPM so will be quick

4) Schumacher Manic RTR
- i wouldent call this a truggy but its a monster truck. the engines are easy to start but shumacher to bring costs down give you a starter shaft but not a roto start so you either need a roto start unit or something else to start it with. the engine is great and reliable giving the power of a large engine but the high RPM of a smaller one. the truck itself is strong but the top arms, shock bottoms and the long drivebelt on the front isnt particually strong. but its what it says on the box "manic, made to be driven mad" and thats what shuemacher has done, created an all out bash truck with as much power as possiablewhich puts a big smile on my face when ive driven one

5) Traxxas Jato 3.3
- again not a truggy but a stadium truck. spares are plentyful an the truck comes from a very good source. its extreamly easy to start and the 3.3 is a pretty good engine but it is very highly strung so on cold days can be a little tricky to tune. the one very big problem i have seen with this truck is it has too much power for a 2WD stadium. it boasts 60MPH+ but like hell will you ever get it there withought spinning out. buts its a good truck and a good basher and can be alot of fun and with so many upgrades you can do somthing you can enjoy for quite a while to come

6) Losi Speed RTR with Spektrum 2.4Ghz radio
ok now this is a mixed bag. its again not a truggy but a stadium truck. its very quick, not as quick as the jato but still fast. the engine is more reliable than the jato but dosent have the EZstart. the spectrum is what ups this model but since the jato now comes with 2.4ghz radio it dosent matter. its not the strongest truck either sut there well layed out and look pretty cool.



so in summery this would have to be the order i would put what you chose in

1) HPI Trophy 4.6 RTR
2) HoBao Hyper ST RTR
3) Traxxas Jato 3.3
4) Schumacher Manic RTR
5) Losi Speed RTR with Spektrum 2.4Ghz radio
6) Kyosho Inferno US Sports 2

me personally from what ive heard about all these models, id either go for a hyper st, or a traxxas jato.

traxxas are an amazing brand, but only 2wd, im not a fan of 2wd at all.

ive previously owned a schumacher riot, and personally i would never touch another schumacher again.
i had numberous problems, clutch shoes literally shattering, flywheel kept coming loose, pullstart is crap a weak, mine snapped within like 9 days of buying it brand new. the wheel connection is a joke, its not got a hex connector as such, like most models are, instead they are little star shapes, good luck finding wheels to fit it.

this is just my opinions of course and from my experience with schumacher. so no flaming me here guys. its totally upto you.

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yep have to agree with Gaz, Kyosho parts are getting hard to source, even on Ebay..

there is one we have left out, do not know much about them but there are a few out there on the tracks, Hong Nor is it CRT or CR5 something like that
similar in style and size to the Hyper ST
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GENIOUS ian

the hongnor CRT is a cracking model and with the shiney new warehous spire has got they been able to branch out over alot more of the UK

i would hit that up in the top end of the list below the hobao simply because of spares, there not a problem at all but more peaople are likey to stock hobao and HPI than hong nor but there clawing there way up

Thats great Thank you all so much for your input, and Gazag thank you for your run down on each car, its looking more and more like the Hyper ST or HPI Trophy once I have had a look at the Hongnor CRT, Ill let you know what I get, will the Hyper be quicker than the Jato?

Great advice guys :thumbs_up:

Ian im going to hold you to this mate :lol:
You could be right but only if your model can hit 65mph or your be in front only for a little bit lol.. but dam wouldnt it be fun to watch. :clap:

David, for what you want mate, id say defo get the hyper ST rtr or the HPI truggy.


These models would be best for what you want, 4wd but will good all-round speed and strong enough to bash hard with, and will last from stock. but like every model on the market, they like to have upgrades to get even better, but atleast on the hpi truggy it comes with alloy shocks and mounts from stock.

But i must say, on the road in a flat out drag race, i still think the jato would win, as long as it was able to hit top speed before the finish line..

We have a jato 2.5, and even that is insainly quick, but with 2wd at high speeds it is tricky to control, (but great fun), and it will not go off-road as well as the hpi truggy or hyper st :thumbs_up:

Mark , Ian and others thank you so much for your advice and guidance its invaluable, its deff looking like the HPI Trophy, Hyper ST or the Hong Nor

will let you know what I go with

and the best place to buy is?? Model Sport or Wheel Spin?

No probs mate, were happy to help. :thumbs_up:

Modelsport would be best i think, never had any troubles with them, and super fast shipping. The hpi truggy for example is £1.99 cheaper from modelspot then wheelspinmodels, every little helps. lol

Gazag

You mention the Trophy has the HPI engine that is not that quick does the Hyper or HongNor have a better engine?

Also whats the difference between a truggy and a Stadium truck

many Thanks

David

Hi Guys a couple more questions, would I have more fun and more speed with a RTR Buggy been looking at the following what do you think?

1) Hong Nor X1X CR 4cc
2) HoBao Hyper 8.5 21 3 port engine
3) HPi Pulse 4.6

many thanks

David

Only one choice out of those....

No.2


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Hi david :thumbs_up:
Core your thinking hard about the model your getting :clap:

I cant comment on the hpi trophy engine because ive not had one, but i did have a hpi rush evo here once and the engine did not impress me, but it was half the size as the one in the trophy,, But i have seen Hyper ST in many videos and a few guys on here have them, and they go great, ever heard of people having problems with them..

The main differences between a truggy and stadium truck is, most (not all) stadium trucks are 2wd, truggys also mainly have bigger wheels but still quite a low ride hight..

and as for the question, would you have more fun with a buggy rather then a truggy or stadium truck, that really depends on the person mate and what you want to use it for mainly, for example in most cases a buggy will be faster then a truggy, but a truggy would handle a bit better off-roading, in long grass and very un-even ground like a building site or something similar, and also in most cases a truggy or staduim truck would be a bit better at jumping then a buggy would, buggies do jump quite well but are that little harder to control in the air.

lol yet again you choose another 3 good models lol

But i must admit for total all-round fun, to use anywhere or do anything, i would still choose the Hyper ST..

Hope this helps a bit mate and im sure others will have a few things to say as well :thumbs_up:

Hi Mark thank you for all your advice, u and everyone on here are so helpful.

I will mainly use it on grass , car parks maybe some dirt tracks

I just like to research what is available and what is the best for my money went to look at a hyper St today they look nice but love speed so started looking at buggies

now don't know to go for a truggy or a buggy

No probs mate were happy to help :thumbs_up:

Another good way to help decide what model to get, type in on youtube the models your looking at, you can then see the models in action, doing different things and running on different surfaces, Thats what i do, whenever looking at different models to get.. :thumbs_up:

That's a great idea will give that a go I thinks it's going to be either the Hyper St or Hyper 8.5 buggy want both really lol

well the hyper st has the biggest engine, if speed s your number one factor bud.
hyper 7.5 is equiped with a .21 engine, so thats race legal if you decide to start racing.
where as the hyper st has a .28 engine, which isnt race legal.

but if racing is not something your intending to do any time within rc, then id say go for the biggest engine, which like said, is the hyper st.

i sure would, i love hyper st's, the only reason why i bought a hyper 7 is due to it being race legal and my high intention to start racing soon

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Nitroazza you are wrong there is no limit on truggy engines only buggys but some people run .21 or .25 engines to get longer run times from them. most tracks you would run out of space to get a stock hyper st up to top speed they go really well :thumbs_up:

Guarantee you this which ever one you get soon enough you’ll want another. I started with a Hyper 7 and thought hmmmm that will do me. How wrong was I. I added a Hyper ST, Losi 8 buggy and a Losi 8 truggy. Even my boy has the bug he’s got a hyper 7 and a losi mini t.

Hi everyone and thanks again for all your invaluable comments.

Its looking more and more like the Hyper ST although on you tube the Pulse 4.6 and the Hyper 8.5 look very very quick.

Off to wings and wheels model show this weekend so i can take a look at some buggies and truggies close up,

i know I will want more than one infact a buggy and a truggy would be nice but cant afford that or will have to sell one of my beloved helis lol

right I'm nearly there I have narrowed it down to these now:-

Truggy

1) Hobao Hyper ST

or Buggy

1) Hpi Pulse with the K4.6 high output engine and 4WD
2) Hyper 8.5

I am tempted to go for the Pulse as I wont be racing but wante to be quick does anyone have experience of the K4.6 engine, what do you think would be quicker and better handling the Pulse buggy or the Hyper ST 4.6???

Promise I wont ask any more questions..
Hope to pick one up this weekend

In my experience the buggy will handle better but thats because its a buggy. If your going to stay off road then it's probably not going to matter. If you want to rip a bit of tarmac up as well as go off road then a buggy it is, A cheap set of on road tyres for a buggy would set you back about £7 a pair For a truggy would be a chunk more.
As for quick define quick, how fast do you want to go? My buggy and truggy are both quick but i wouldn't want them to be any quicker there would be no point.

im looking at buying the new hpi trophy truggy looking at it at side of hyper st it looks so much better built and its also £40.00 less than the st

My friend bought a brand new HPI Trophy 4.6 on Saturday ran the engine in as per manual then on it's first slow drive about the pull start literally fell off, then one of the rear drive shafts fell out and the steering servo horn fell off. So not impressed with HPi