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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:05 PM (GMT)
Hi Guys,

Well I have finally got a new battery and charger for my Kyosho Inferno US 2 (Here is the thread : http://rc-racing.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=12236)

Charged the battery and wahey the steering now works. The problem is that I can't seem to get it to start?

I have filled it up with fuel, put the glow plug in and tried pull starting it but no luck.

Any suggestions or ideas?

Thanks,

James

Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:08 PM (GMT)
Also, I'm not sure if any fuel is going through? How do I check?

Thanks

Nitroazza - June 19, 2010 03:13 PM (GMT)
have you primed the fuel??

take the tube off the exhuast pipe and blow in it, you will see travel up the other tub upto the carb, when it gets to the carb, stop, replace the tube, hold finger over exhaust and pull once, then release finger from over exhaust, and just pull to start. ive always done this way and have no probs.

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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nitroazza @ Jun 19 2010, 03:13 PM)
have you primed the fuel??

take the tube off the exhuast pipe and blow in it, you will see travel up the other tub upto the carb, when it gets to the carb, stop, replace the tube, hold finger over exhaust and pull once, then release finger from over exhaust, and just pull to start. ive always done this way and have no probs.

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I haven't primed the fuel. (Well I don't know what that means tbh!)

I am having trouble blowing the fuel to the carb. I am blowing as hard as I am but it is only getting about half way up the pipe?

Thanks

Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jimbob 2705 @ Jun 19 2010, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE (Nitroazza @ Jun 19 2010, 03:13 PM)
have you primed the fuel??

take the tube off the exhuast pipe and blow in it, you will see travel up the other tub upto the carb, when it gets to the carb, stop, replace the tube, hold finger over exhaust and pull once, then release finger from over exhaust, and just pull to start. ive always done this way and have no probs.

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I haven't primed the fuel. (Well I don't know what that means tbh!)

I am having trouble blowing the fuel to the carb. I am blowing as hard as I am but it is only getting about half way up the pipe?

Thanks

Actually, I just did it. I turned something which opened a hole to the carb or something and I blew and it went in really easy.

I will try and start it now!

Thanks

Nitroazza - June 19, 2010 03:22 PM (GMT)
ok bud, you always need to prime the fuel (blow it upto the carb)

when you first go to use it

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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:33 PM (GMT)
Right, I tried that and it now makes a more 'raspier' sound when trying to start it.

It still won't start easily though. I managed to start it once in the last 5 mins.

When I did start it the steering started steering on its own!!!

I quickly switched it off, I noticed that I hadn't removed the glow plug but would that make any difference?

Also when I take the glow plug out without starting it, the whole car seems to vibrate. The Servos (?) seem to move on their own. What could be causing that?

Thanks,

James

Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 03:41 PM (GMT)
I have just tried to start it again, but I have lost the 'raspy' sound as I would call it.

Any ideas why?

Thanks

Nitroazza - June 19, 2010 04:24 PM (GMT)
firstly mate, no leaving the glow starter in wont affect anything, some people advise you to leave it in a rev the model a little while its off the ground to warm it up a little.

a sound like that doesnt ring any bells to me bud.

maybe someone could help me out on this one

Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 04:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nitroazza @ Jun 19 2010, 04:24 PM)
firstly mate, no leaving the glow starter in wont affect anything, some people advise you to leave it in a rev the model a little while its off the ground to warm it up a little.

a sound like that doesnt ring any bells to me bud.

maybe someone could help me out on this one

Well instead of there being a low sound there was a 'raspy' (higher pitched) sound then it started.

Thanks for your help anyway?

James

Nitroazza - June 19, 2010 05:09 PM (GMT)
try messaging ianski mate, he is a right tech guy at engine problems.

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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 05:11 PM (GMT)
I'll see if he comes on MSN tonight.

Thanks anyway!

James

russmini - June 19, 2010 05:56 PM (GMT)
If you've blown too much fuel in, then it very well may have started, but ran Backwards ! This gives a totally different noise than usual.

And while we're on the subjuct of priming, please don't carry on doing as Nitroazza has advised (sorry mate, not getting at you), Nitro Fuel is soo harmful it's silly, you seriously do not want to ingest it.

Put your finger over the end of the exhaust and pull on the pull start a few times, that will prime it fine for you.

Also, once started, take the glow starter Off the glow plug. Leaving on could blow it, which then could result in 1 knackered engine.

Let the engine start, then blip the throttle, not too much, it won't be properly warm. You may have too much un-burnt fuel in the engine, this needs to be expelled so that it can run properly. Also do not blip too much and for too long and at a high amount of throttle whilst Off the ground. Just get it warm and so it doesn't die, then whack it on the floor and warm up properly On the ground. Keep an eye on the fuel, always make sure it's above Half in the tank whilst warming and tuning.

Once your happy with things, you can start playing properly.

Oh and buy a RB No.6 Glow Plug and Decent Fuel.


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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 05:58 PM (GMT)
I just decided to do a little test:

What I did was take the fuel pipe of the carb and tried starting the engine. No fuel came through! I am guessing it should? What does this mean?

If I blow the pipe that is connected to the exhaust, fuel will come out but not otherwise.

Thanks

russmini - June 19, 2010 06:03 PM (GMT)
The fuel doesn't piss through, so it wouldn't surprise me that with a pull start system, you did not see any fuel.

Put your finger over that taken of fuel pipe and blow through the exhaust fuel pipe. Tell us what happens.

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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 06:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (russmini @ Jun 19 2010, 06:03 PM)
The fuel doesn't piss through, so it wouldn't surprise me that with a pull start system, you did not see any fuel.

Put your finger over that taken of fuel pipe and blow through the exhaust fuel pipe. Tell us what happens.

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Well I did what you said and the fuel only came half way up the pipe to the carb.

There seems to be bubble in the line as you can see them in the fuel. I don't know if that makes any difference?

Thanks,

James

russmini - June 19, 2010 06:14 PM (GMT)
Ok, i was hoping you were going to say the Lid on the fuel tank popped up. That would indicate a properly sealed fuel system ;)

As been as you didn't. just check it's seating properly and is sealing the system.

Also get rid of that bubble, easiest way i suppose is to blow it out, yes i know i previously said not to... :lol:


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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 06:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (russmini @ Jun 19 2010, 06:14 PM)
Ok, i was hoping you were going to say the Lid on the fuel tank popped up. That would indicate a properly sealed fuel system  ;)

As been as you didn't. just check it's seating properly and is sealing the system.

Also get rid of that bubble, easiest way i suppose is to blow it out, yes i know i previously said not to...  :lol:


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Well I tried blowing it again but the lid didn't pop open.

The lid would be quite hard to pop open as it has quite a hard spring on it.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks

russmini - June 19, 2010 07:20 PM (GMT)
Well, thats a good thing. It means it's sealing properly (you just aint go enough Puff, lol) :)

Unless it's leaking somewhere else of course, but i'm sure you'd have said you could hear air escaping or fuel was coming out from somewhere unexpected...

Get rid of that bubble, then re-attach everything. When you prime it, do as i said previously and just stab the throttle a couple of times to help it travel up. Don't hold it open though, you'll end up putting too much into the engine and thus flooding it.


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Jimbob 2705 - June 19, 2010 08:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (russmini @ Jun 19 2010, 07:20 PM)
Well, thats a good thing. It means it's sealing properly (you just aint go enough Puff, lol) :)

Unless it's leaking somewhere else of course, but i'm sure you'd have said you could hear air escaping or fuel was coming out from somewhere unexpected...

Get rid of that bubble, then re-attach everything. When you prime it, do as i said previously and just stab the throttle a couple of times to help it travel up. Don't hold it open though, you'll end up putting too much into the engine and thus flooding it.


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Thanks for that.

I'll give it a try soon! ;)

Jimbob 2705 - June 22, 2010 04:58 PM (GMT)
I took out the glow plug today, checked it had a glow. It did have a glow so I am assuming that takes out that possible problem?

I tried starting it but still no luck. What should I try next?

Thanks




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